MORAVIA, John de

Abt 1390 - 1455  (65 years)  Submit Photo / Document

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• Name	MORAVIA, John de
  Birth	Abt 1390	Dunbeath, Caithness, Scotland
  Christening	Dunbeath, Caithness, Scotland
  Gender	Male
  Burial	Feb 1455	Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland
  Death	22 Feb 1455	Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland
  WAC	22 Jan 1925
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  Father	MORAVIA, Earl Robert De ,   b. Abt 1347, Dunrobin Castle, Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland Dunrobin Castle, Golspie, Sutherland, Scotlandd. Bef 1427, Dunrobin Castle, Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland (Age < 79 years)
  Mother	STEWART, Countess Margaret ,   b. Abt 1373, Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotland Dundonald, Ayrshire, Scotlandd. 18 May 1451, Scotland (Age 78 years)
  Marriage	1389	Scotland
  Family ID	F16894	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	BAILLE, Margaret
  Marriage	Bef 29 Apr 1451
  Family ID	F16893	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	24 Jan 2022

  
  

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  7th Earl of Sutherland JOHN (SUTHERLAND), EARL OF SUTHERLAND [SCT], 1st son and heir, was, when about 17, one of the esquires of his maternal uncle Alexander Stewart, Earl of Mar, who commanded a Scottish detachment in the campaign of Jean Sans Peur, Duke of Burgundy, against the burghers of Liege. He was knighted by his uncle, probably on the morning of 23 September 1408, when the Duke defeated the burghers in a decisive engagement; and presumably he returned with his uncle to Scotland through England under safe-conduct granted to Mar and 30 persons with him, 29 December 1408. In 1427, as Earl of Sutherland, he relieved Patrick Dunbar, eldest son of the Earl of March [SCT], as one of the hostages for the payment of the ransom of King James I, who had been released on 28 March 1424; and he was interned in Pontefract Castle with several Scottish hostages. While at Pontefract he confirmed, 12 July 1444, the resignation of Torboll by Nicholas Sutherland, 6th of Duffus, and its re-grant to his younger son Henry, afterwards 8th of Duffus, in October 1408 in favour of his 2nd cousin, Alexander Sutherland (son of Henry), 9th of Duffus. He was at Dunrobin in May 1448 and on 29 April 1451 he and his wife received a Crown charter of lands in the parish of Loth, Sutherland, which were reserved in life-rent for them when, on 22 February 145516 in the garden of St. Mary's Chapel at Inverness, he resigned his Earldom into the hands of King James II, who next day re-granted it to John, Master of Sutherland. He married, in or before 1432, Margaret, daughter of Sir William BAILLIE of Lamington (grandson of Sir William Baillie of Hoprig, Penston and Carnbrae), by Marion, said to have been daughter of Sir John SETON of Seton. He is said to have died in 1460. His widow died between 30 April 1509 and 19 May 1510, aged 80? years or over. [Complete Peerage XII/1:545-6] -------------------------------------------------------- John, seventh Earl of Sutherland, is first named as taking part, as one of the retinue of his uncle Alexander Stewart, Earl of Mar, in the latter's campaign in Flanders about 1408. Wyntoun, a contemporary, tells how the Earl, before an expected battle, knighted some of his esquires, one of these being John Sutherland 'his newew, a lord appearand of vertew, Heretabil Erl of that countre.' The young knight fought bravely, and the cause the Earl favoured was victorious. Nothing further is recorded of him until 1427, when it was probably he who went to England as one of the hostages for King James I. He remained in England for many years, being confined in Pontefract Castle, where there were many other Scots hostages. While there, on 12 July 1444, he granted to his kinsman, Alexander Sutherland of Duffus, a charter confirming the lands of Torboll. On 3 February 1444-45 a safe-conduct was issued to Margaret Sutherland, Alexander and Robert Sutherland, probably the Earl's wife and children, for a year, to pass between England and Scotland. He must have been liberated not very long after, as he was at Dunrobin Castle in May 1448, when he presented a chaplain to the chapel of St Andrew at Golspie. On 29 April 1451 he and his wife Margaret received a crown charter of Crakaig, Easter and Wester Loth, and other lands in the parish of Loth. These lands were reserved for liferent use to himself and the Countess wehn he resigned his earldom into the hands of King James II in favour of his son John, who was infeft in the lands in his father's lifetime. This Earl is said by Sir Robert Gordon to have died in 1460, and to have been buried in the chapel of St Andrews at Golspie. He married Margaret Baillie, perhaps a daughter or sister of one of the Earl;s fellow-hostages at Pontefract, Sir William Baillie of Hoprig and Lamington. She is said to have been a woman of great beauty. She survived the Earl, and, contrary to what Sir Robert Gordon asserts, appears to have remained a widow. She was alive on 30 April 1509, but died before Whitsunday of 1510. [The Scots Peerage VIII:330-331]