SOMERY, Ralph de III

Abt 1195 - 1220  (25 years)  Submit Photo / Document

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• Name	SOMERY, Ralph de
  Suffix	III
  Birth	Abt 1195	Dinas, Powis, Wales
  Gender	Male
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  Death	Feb 1220	Dudley, Worcestershire, England
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  Person ID	I49066	Joseph Smith Sr and Lucy Mack Smith
  Last Modified	19 Aug 2021

  
  

  Father	SOMERY, Ralph de II ,   b. Abt 1151, Dudley, Staffordshire, England Dudley, Staffordshire, Englandd. 29 Sep 1210, Cardigan, Pembrokeshire, Wales (Age 59 years)
  Mother	FITZGILBERT, Margaret ,   b. Abt 1146, Warwickshire, England Warwickshire, Englandd. 1242, Dudley, Staffordshire, England (Age 96 years)
  Marriage	Abt 1190	Wiltshire, England
  Family ID	F24920	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	LONGESPEE, Ida Camvile ,   b. Abt 1222, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England Salisbury, Wiltshire, Englandd. 10 Jan 1267, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England (Age 45 years)
  Family ID	F18177	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	24 Jan 2022

  
  

• Notes

  From the Medieval Lands Project: RALPH [III] de Somery (-[Feb] 1220). His parentage is confirmed by a plea in Staffordshire dated 1240, P. R. O. Assise Roll 1174, which records that certain land was inherited from "Gervasio Paenel cuidam Hawisie sorori et heredi", from her by "Radulpho…filio et heredi, et de Radulpho cuidam alii Radulpho filii et heredi, et de iste Radulpho cuidam Willelmi et fratri et heredi, et de Willelmo cuidam Nicholao…filii et heredi, et de Nicholao isti Rogero ut avunculo quia non habuit heredem de corpore sua", although the list appears to insert an extra "Ralph" in the generational list[1344]. The Testa de Nevill records in 1212 that “comes de Salesbir” held “maneria de Swinford et de Clent et de Mere cum filio et herede Radulfi de Sumeri in custodia”[1345]. The Pipe Roll [1214/15] records “heres Radulphi de Sumeri. l.s. de cremento de Swinford et de Clent et de Mere”[1346]. “Ralph [de] Somery and Alice his wife” made a fine to sue “Ralph Mangefer” concerning “a message...in Cliffe”, Sussex, order dated 11 Feb 1220[1347]. m IDA de Longespee, daughter of WILLIAM Longespee Earl of Salisbury & his wife Ela Ctss of Salisbury (after 1206-after 1260). William Earl of Salisbury granted the manor of Belcham to "William de Beauchamp…with Ida his daughter, who was the wife of Ralph de Sumeri" dated 1220[1348]. It is likely that Ida was still a child at the time of her first marriage. Ida’s mother’s birth can be dated with reasonable accuracy to [1191/92], as Gilbert Crispin who was the second husband of Ida’s maternal grandmother died in 1190. If that is correct, it is unlikely that Ida was born before 1206, assuming that she was the oldest child of her parents (of which there is no proof). “Ralph [de] Somery and Alice his wife” made a fine to sue “Ralph Mangefer” concerning “a message...in Cliffe”, Sussex, order dated 11 Feb 1220[1349]. The difference of name Alice/Ida has not been explained. She married secondly ([1220]) William de Beauchamp. Life Sketch From Medieval Lands (downloaded 27 July 2018, dvmansur): RALPH [III] de Somery (-[Feb] 1220). His parentage is confirmed by a plea in Staffordshire dated 1240, P. R. O. Assise Roll 1174, which records that certain land was inherited from "Gervasio Paenel cuidam Hawisie sorori et heredi", from her by "Radulpho…filio et heredi, et de Radulpho cuidam alii Radulpho filii et heredi, et de iste Radulpho cuidam Willelmi et fratri et heredi, et de Willelmo cuidam Nicholao…filii et heredi, et de Nicholao isti Rogero ut avunculo quia non habuit heredem de corpore sua", although the list appears to insert an extra "Ralph" in the generational list[1345]. The Testa de Nevill records in 1212 that “comes de Salesbir” held “maneria de Swinford et de Clent et de Mere cum filio et herede Radulfi de Sumeri in custodia”[1346]. The Pipe Roll [1214/15] records “heres Radulphi de Sumeri. l.s. de cremento de Swinford et de Clent et de Mere”[1347]. “Ralph [de] Somery and Alice his wife” made a fine to sue “Ralph Mangefer” concerning “a message...in Cliffe”, Sussex, order dated 11 Feb 1220[1348]. m IDA de Longespee, daughter of WILLIAM Longespee Earl of Salisbury & his wife Ela Ctss of Salisbury (after 1206-after 1260). William Earl of Salisbury granted the manor of Belcham to "William de Beauchamp…with Ida his daughter, who was the wife of Ralph de Sumeri" dated 1220[1349]. It is likely that Ida was still a child at the time of her first marriage. Ida’s mother’s birth can be dated with reasonable accuracy to [1191/92], as Gilbert Crispin who was the second husband of Ida’s maternal grandmother died in 1190. If that is correct, it is unlikely that Ida was born before 1206, assuming that she was the oldest child of her parents (of which there is no proof). “Ralph [de] Somery and Alice his wife” made a fine to sue “Ralph Mangefer” concerning “a message...in Cliffe”, Sussex, order dated 11 Feb 1220[1350]. The difference of name Alice/Ida has not been explained. She married secondly ([1220]) William de Beauchamp. Less Modified 28 July 2018 by dvmansur