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  • Name QUINCY, Robert de 
    Prefix Earl 
    Birth Abt 1174  Winchester, Hampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Christening 1219 
    Gender Male 
    Burial Apr 1264  Saint Peter Churchyard, Brackley, Noirthamptonshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Death 25 Apr 1264  Edmonton, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    WAC 22 Sep 1922  SLAKE Find all individuals with events at this location 
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    Person ID I32173  Joseph Smith Sr and Lucy Mack Smith
    Last Modified 19 Aug 2021 

    Father QUINCY, Earl Saher IV ,   b. 1155, Winchester, Hampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationWinchester, Hampshire, Englandd. 3 Nov 1219, Damietta, Palestine Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 64 years) 
    Mother HARCOURT, Countess Margaret de ,   b. 1156, Hampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationHampshire, Englandd. 12 Jan 1236, Brackley, Northamptonshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 80 years) 
    Marriage 1174  England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Notes 
    • MARRIAGE: Also shown as Married Bef 1173 ~SEALING_SPOUSE: Also shown as SealSp 28 Jan 1936
    Family ID F15688  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 DESMENCHINES, Countess Hawise ,   b. 1160, Chester, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationChester, Cheshire, Englandd. 6 Jun 1241, London, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 81 years) 
    Marriage 1207 
    Children 1 son and 3 daughters 
    Family ID F18143  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 24 Jan 2022 

    Family 2 LLEWELYN, Countess Elen Verch ,   b. 1 Nov 1207, Caernarfonshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this locationCaernarfonshire, Walesd. 24 Oct 1253, Chester, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 45 years) 
    Marriage 1227  Gwynedd, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Children 3 daughters 
    Family ID F16067  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 24 Jan 2022 

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    • From Wikipedia:
      Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester (c.1195 – 25 April 1264),[1][2]) hereditary Constable of Scotland, was a nobleman of Anglo-Norman and Scottish descent who was prominent in both England and Scotland, at his death having one of the largest baronial landholdings in the two kingdoms.[3]

      Early life
      The de Quincy family, originating from the village of Cuinchy in Artois, had been prominent in England and Scotland from about 1130. Roger, second son and eventual heir of Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and his wife Margaret, younger daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester, probably joined his father on the Fifth Crusade, during which the elder de Quincy fell sick in Egypt and died. Since Roger's older brother Robert had died a few years earlier, he inherited his father's estates on his return, but was not recognised as earl until his mother died in 1235.[3]

      Career
      He married a major heiress, Helen of Galloway, the eldest of the three daughters of Alan, Lord of Galloway. On her father's death in 1234, he acquired her share of the paternal inheritance, which consisted of the hereditary office of Constable of Scotland and one-third of the lordship of Galloway. The title of Lord of Galloway, however, went through Helen's half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John Balliol.[4].

      In 1235 the Galwegians rebelled under Gille Ruadh, not wanting their land divided, but the rebellion was suppressed by King Alexander II of Scotland. The Galwegians revolted again in 1246, following the death without children of Helen's sister Christina, first wife of William de Forz, 4th Earl of Aumale. Further unrest in 1247, possibly due to his strict rule, found de Quincy trapped in a castle, from which he escaped to obtain help from King Alexander in suppressing the rebellion. Although actively managing his lands in Scotland, despite being Constable after this time he seems to have had little further involvement in Scotland's politics and wars.[3]

      In England he also steered clear of politics initially but was gradually drawn into the baronial opposition to the rule of King Henry III, He joined with other nobles in 1239 and 1246 in written remonstrances to the Pope about papal interference in English affairs. In 1258, he was elected by the barons to the twelve-member commission charged with overseeing the revised constitution of the Provisions of Oxford and was appointed also to the committee to arrange the financial aid promised to Henry. In 1259 he led a delegation to St Omer that forbade the King's brother Richard, Earl of Cornwall from returning to England unless he swore to observe the Provisions of Oxford. After this de Quincy played little part in national affairs.[3]

      He died aged about 69 on 25 April 1264, eighteen days after the outbreak of civil war, and was buried at Brackley. Having no male heir, the earldom of Winchester became extinct and his estates were divided between the husbands of his three daughters.[3]

      Family
      He married three times, leaving three daughters from his first marriage to Helen of Galloway:
      Margaret (or Margery), who married William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby;
      Elizabeth (or Isabel), who married Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan;
      Helen, who married Alan de la Zouche.

      His second marriage was in about 1250 to Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, who died in 1252. Thirdly, in 1252, he married Eleanor de Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby. Neither of these marriages produced any children.[3]

      [Source: Wikipedia, "Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester", dowloaded 17 September 2018, dvmansur; see link in Sources,]

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    1. [S64] The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, International Genealogical Index.
      Helen Verch Llewelyn; Female; Birth: About 1206; Spouse: Robert De QUINCY; Marriage: < 1227> ; No source information is available.
      Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church.
      Search performed using PAF Insight on 22 Sep 2004